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I'm not trying to wind anyone up but I've read a few books on society after Peak oil, and they seem to have similar conculsions about best place to be in the US (doesn't have to be peak oil). The North East seems to be the preferred location as there is a better sense of community, the least preferred is the South on the basis of the sense of Hyerindividualism and lack of inhibition when it comes to violence (maybe not the best way of phrasing this but hopefully it makes sense)

I am not an expert on US culture but would be interested to know if this is a common perception, or a latent distaste for redneck/gun culture etc. by preppy harvard types or hippy californians (i'm not judging)

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Wow do I disagree...."sense of community"? indeed! to those of us who have a more cynical/experianced view of human nature....."community"
will quickly evaporate with an empty stomach. From quaint N.E. "community"
to new orleans anarchy in about 3 missed meals........:eek:

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The above would be my guess _grin_

Well, I'm born and raised in the south. Live there today. There can be a tremendous sense of community and integrity.

There can also be the gun-toting drunk "bubbas" of which you speak.

Generally, it appears to me that the Northeastern US is already pretty heavily populated and that is the last place I would head - too much population density to compete with.

I don't think you can generalize that way about people - I have some friends in PA, and NJ that are real sweethearts and caring people, no way to tell them from friends down south except for the accent.

My guess is that you have assholes and sweethearts mixed throughout the US.

Plus, I think there is such mobility within the US today, that the "culture" stuff is spread all over and mixed in without being confined to specific areas. Fifty years ago, maybe - but not today.

I believe there would be much more difference between urban and rural than any regional generalization.

Might sell a few books espousing the stuff in the original post of the thread, but I certainly wouldn't wanna bet my life on it.

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IMHO the NE is best suited for post-SHTF. But--Pennsylvania west to middle and north to the line but including the NE corner. A lot of "empty" there. NY--West to the middle and all the way north. A "whole lot of empty" there. Both states have relatively cheap ground and are very favorable to farmers. For instance in NY you can get 1000 gallons of diesel every month without paying state taxes.

Vermont is just a bit too much like their former govenor. You can be third generation there and still be considered an outsider. New Hampshire is a great place but expensive and too close to NYC and Boston. Maine has a bunch of space-remote, but darn little work and it gets flat-out rugged up there in the winter.

Just my 1/1000 of a gram of Au

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I studied different maps on line regarding fall out, gas attack, nuclear and so on and found the perfect place right here where I am at.......

The breeze from the ocean blows inland and I am surrounded by mountains where only a direct hit in a two miles radios would get to me.

Also a lot of open land with a lot of cows and so on :Zzzz: I sleep well.
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Only trouble that I can see in the future are the druggies.

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QWAK,Years ago I got very deep in to metaphysics especialy Edgar Casey and read every thing I could find. Casey said to expect big earth changes begining in the 80s and to continue to become more violent and extream to the point that the rictor scale would be raised from a high of 9 to 12!

It would be a REBIRTH for the EARTH and a CLENSING, to include a shift in the poles and a reduction in population. He gave 7 safty zones ware the effects would be minimal and North West Arkansas was one.

This was a signifigent part of why I chose this location to build the DUCK NEST.

One must see the ROSE wile it is still in the bud because once it has blumed and it is OBVIOUS then it is too late because every one will want IT!:cheerful:

the DUCK

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Ponce's house,

we are all heading there if we see any signs of trouble.





We'll be armed.



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Whats a sanctuary city?

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Halo? you and everyone else will be more than welcome as long as you bring your own mobile home, food and weapons.

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There's a lot to be said for southern hospitality and self reliance. The northeast has a good sense of community, AND a great sense of big gov't worship. In the northeast, you can count on your neighbor during a crisis, a crisis being defined as a period where the gov't isn't in control.


I'm not saying that I'm currently in the best place right now, but the northeast is not where I'll be heading to in a survivalist situation

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Gunner? that's why I would like to welcome some of the people from GIM into my property, can't count on the people around here for they are either on welfare and or food stamps or are druggies.....I am talking about 60-70 of the population, I never knew that till I moved here and that's why I like to say......"If you are ready you are not"... Ponce.....you can never think or plan on everything :love:

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Interesting. I kinda figured most folks here would have some kind of extended families in rural farm communities. That would be ideal, imo.

I've got 4 farmer uncles nestled in a 30 mile radius and dozens of cousins. The other 4 work in town. Of course, I'd have to get there.

If there were very little gas available, human labor would be in greater need on a farm.

Small agriculture towns from Texas to Wisconsin, to me, have what it would take to weather a storm best. I have not be east or west, so I cannot really make comparisons.

If you've got no relatives in a small town, maybe your best preparation is to "adopt" one.

HTH.

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Thanks Ponce - have supplies, will travel :^)

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http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-te...edo-70903.html

http://www.limitstogrowth.org/index.html

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Not even killer flu to shut U.S. border [5/02/06]
Yep, Americans could be dropping dead like flies, but the border will remain open, because business must have its supply of willing slaves.

• While nationwide demonstrations focus America's attention on the issue of illegal immigration and U.S. borders, the federal government will apparently not close the border even in the face of deadly bird flu or a super strain of influenza.
  That according to a draft of the national response plan obtained by the Associated Press.
  The report says a major outbreak of disease could prompt the government to limit international flights, quarantine exposed travelers and restrict movement in and around the country, with the exception of the border.

Thanks for the link Curt - nice of them to tell us their plans.



Does anyone have the info cd titled Prudent Places?

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Since I have family with me who don't see what's coming, I'm SOL. They don't want me to buy gold and silver because it's too expensive. We are going to be among the first casualties, I guess.

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There are lots of great state parks near Houston. Go camping (I'd pick one with a river) and practice "roughing it". That's where you might start. Then learn to hunt and fish.

I wonder how an armadillo tastes...

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Whaaa?
What part of this dilemma does the handle Bossman imply?
I don't know what type of situation you have going on there but do your family a favor and take some initiative.
:albertein

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Speaking as one of the redneck gun toting bubbas, I'd like for all the folks retiring down here out of the Northeast, who love to come here and tell us "THIS is how we did it back in You-Name-It" to pack up and move back to the land of taxes and 'community'......ahahahahaaaaa......because God knows most of 'em can't find their ass with both hands NOW, and I'd hate to think what they will do if TSHTF.

So, yeah, I vote for "go northeast, young man, go northeast"

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Ponce are you in the NW part of Oregon? When I looked at fallout I saw that SW Washington and NW Oregon were one of the few place that didn't get by any fall out from a big nuke test the Chinese did some decades ago.

If so, any idea what the cost per acre is in your area for vacant land?

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Is more like South West a few miles from Grants Pass in a one mule town, to small to be a one horse town......and then six miles from the town up in the hills.

I don't know about prices but the town is growing up but mostly with retired people because there are no jobs here.

By the way, in the end of the world map it shows clear in my area, no fall out.

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Too close to Interstate 5. Think of all the CA refugees that'll make their way up that route.

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Not really, is about 38 miles to my town and there is only one road going into and our of it.......very easy to close it down.

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Indeed, the map I remember looking at can be found at http://www.ki4u.com/transpacific.htm and it clearly shows the US west coast is good from the Washington State Olympic Pennisula all the way down to San Fransico, CA regarding fallout from that Chinese nuke test. Just my faulty memory was in error. Clearly being near or down wind from any military installation or major city in that area would be a bad idea, since those are likely targets (and bases from which to project power).

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Denver and Boulder are sanctuary cities. What that means is if you are an illegal Mexican you have sanctuary in these towns. If the cops stop you for traffic problems and you show your Mexican drivers license they don't hassle you and let you go on your way. They can't even arrest you because of the edicts from above. God forbid they ask you if you are here illegally. That's it in a nutshell.

You can read more about it here: http://www.khow.com/pages/shows-boyles.html scroll down and you'll see it. Not a bad site to hang out at either....

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Well here I can own a gun..or 2.

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Im hoping hawaii!:elefant:

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Yes I'm in SoCal too, OC. Imagine the traffic jam trying to get out. Houston during the Hurricane warning was a sunday drive compared to what's going to happen here. We're all gonna die!

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well thats a given..lol

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Thats why I got the hell out of Anaheim.....

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I've been studying the map here in St. Louis. There is only one way out of the area not crossing a major river. I mean totally close off the City and County with 10 bridges down or blocked with traffic.

Got to look into chances of a canoe get away.

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SilverH . Ive been researching this subject you brought up.

Its a real tough call.

The real threat in my opinion is " A Police State " , imposed on the continental USA.

Earthquakes, floods, nuclear disasters can be overcome by moving to Idaho, the #1 spot for safety in this regard.

But I'm bewildered as how to escape the coming reorganization of the USA.

Then it becomes damage control as in how to remove oneself and family from the control of a coming controlling gov't.

Switzerland appears to be the ultimate safe place to live.

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Geting away from people is the answer . But how can you get away from the authorities? You cant.

I dont like it , it smells very fishy to me.

The ultimate goal is to live free right?

And we all concurr , the US is goin down in the next 20 years.

Government controll is a bigger problem than any natural disaster will ever be.

Theres no escape.

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If you live in the city try to get a map of the underground pipe systems, I used to have one in Ca. and that was going to be my get away route, easy to do on a mini motor bike.

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Here in Idaho earthquakes have been common. I agree that Idaho still is the #1 safety spot.

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Thanks for the comments, I guess discussing broad areas of the US has it's limits as you are down to averages. But having access to agricultural land is a good basic strategy no matter where you live

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I know some Vermonters who are pretty independent sorts, so I think parts of the NE, like parts of lots of the country, may have independent communities with self sufficient attitudes.

Climate change is on my mind because much hotter here and gardening is going to be 3 season - not in summer, and air conditioning may become life support. We had one bout of many days over 100, some 114, and it is too humid for that to not be flat dangerous, unlike true desert where shade is all you need to manage high temperature.

Wisconsin has good rainfall, and would not become uninhabitable if the temperature rise curve speeds up. I'm also considering true desert because population is low, but with rain gatering and storage you can manage even without a well, if you keep your garden small and give each tree its own water gathering berm, and do not try to raise water intensive livestock. Roof-cistern, and land slope collection for plants.

The hunting is still pretty good in some desert/mountain areas. Javalina, mule deer. And few people to upset the balance.

However, when we retire we will likely travel abroad. If real estate craters at a fortuitous time as to PM prices, we intend to buy a rural property to return to if things do not get too crazy politically. That is the part that worries me most. Getting rid of the tapeworms without wrecking the country more than it already is.

I'll tell you one thing-- talking to you guys here gives me a LOT more hope. Just knowing you are out there, decent, and waked up. It makes me wonder how many see it but have not found like minded people to talk things over with.

Bossman, you could start with extra food and that kind of preparedness. Call it hurricane supplies.

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Mexico. :banghead:

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If you in any way are already a part of your community, your household is well-prepared, and it's "home," then right where you are is the best place in the U.S.

You're well ahead of the game in familiar territory and among friends. Even if that describes an area where you aren't right now, hitting the road should be an absolute last resort in most HTF scenarios.

Prepare ahead of time and "dig-in," to include building your community network. That way, you keep the odds in your favor.

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Well I'm from Canada but would like to comment. I have many relatives in the US and have driven through about 1/4 of the States mostly on the western side. Since I have a fairly limited knowledge about exact locations in the states I will just give my guidelines that I have used to determine the area I'm currently looking at up here in Canada.

1. At least 60 miles from any major centers. You don't want to be anywhere near a large city. It is going to be total chaos. What happens if water or power shuts off or sufficient food isn't delivered to the city? Which is very likely. Also chemical, biological attacks or a nuke going off is going to happen most likely in a city. If the government goes crazy where do you think their going to focus most of their resources on? Also people in large cities are barely civil when things are ok, once the system breaks down it's going to be a free for all.

2. Stay away from disaster prone areas. You don't want to be on the west coast because of earth quakes. Also avoid tornado and hurricane prone areas. Does the area flood sometimes? Down stream from a dam? You want to be in area where you don't have to worry about Mother Nature compounding your problems.

3. Is the area generally conductive to survive in? Is fresh water readily available? Good soil? Decent amount of rainfall? Too hot? Too cold? Good soil to grow crops if needed? Can you hunt or fish or live off the land if needed? Are there hiding places? Escape routes? Not much pollution?

4. What is the general community like in the area? Are there like minded individuals nearby? Are people friendly? Is there community spirit? Are there centers nearby where you can get supplies, meet people, network? Basically you want to be out in the middle of nowhere but not too far.

5. What does your gut tell you? Do you feel comfortable in the area? Would you like to live in the area or at least vacation there if the S??? doesn't hit the fan?

Using these criteria I have narrowed down my search to a few valleys in the mountains. They have it all decent soil, warm weather, fresh water, plenty of wild game, places to hide like caves. Good average rainfall, fresh air, disaster free. Multiple ways to travel around for example, driving, boating, trails. Pleasant local communities. Plus I just love the mountains and would like to live there anyway. Of course there are some negatives for example possible forest fires but all in all the benefits far out weight the disadvantages.

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Arizona or New Mexico is good. At least their are no volcanoes or earthquakes to worry about.. I like western New Mexico. There are some really pretty places and not very many people to worry about. I've also been looking at land down in Sonora Mexico. You can get land there for $500 per acre. Right on the river..and no propery taxes to worry about paying every year. The people down there are very humble and self sufficient. You gotta be careful if your a white guy going down there with money. There is some jealousy. Knowing spanish and being able to talk to them is very important.